🌟 Live with Geraldine Villeneuve — A Leader in Structural Reflexology®

Well, hello everyone and welcome to I believe it is our sixth uh Facebook live introducing all of you to the wonderful uh speakers we're going to be having at our 2026 International Reflexology Conference. My name is Laura and I am so thrilled to be joined today with uh Geraldine Vilnuv from uh the United States who'll be coming to share all of her wonderful knowledge and experience with us in Winnipeg this May at the Canadian Museum for Human Rights. Um and she'll be sharing with us her one of the protocols that she has developed over her many years over almost four decades of reflexology. Yeah, a reflexology experience. So, thank you so much, Geraldine, for joining me today. >> Thank you, Laura. It's really wonderful to be here with all of you and who's ever joining. I I greatly appreciate that you've decided to join and I'm excited to find out what you want to know about structural reflexology. So, I'm here for questions and um I'll let Laura have the floor. I'm also very excited about coming to Winnipeg. I've never been there before and join the other wonderful speakers there to celebrate the 50th anniversary >> of your organization. That's very impressive. >> Well, we're excited to welcome you to Winnipeg. If those of you who are joining us live on Facebook, please feel free add your questions to the comments. We'll I'll check throughout uh maybe get to most of them at the end. And if you're watching the replay on YouTube, you know, feel free to still comment. We're going to still be checking YouTube comments and trying to answer questions as they come up. But let's get started. Set the scene for everyone. Gerald Dean, what is structural reflexology? And why might a reflexology therapist want to learn this approach? Well, reflexology therapy encompasses both uh local and reflexive approaches to working with feet. Uh primarily, I know there's a lot of microcosms that we could be addressing, but we're talking about mechanics, foot mechanics, and how faulty foot mechanics influence reflex activity and compensation in the body. So our aim as structural reflexologists is to release um ligament and and muscle stress that overlap with reflexes and um so we can improve uh foot function um improve posture and freedom to uh have the range of movement that your feet are designed to give you. So there's a lot it's it's really encompassing um as far as uh anatomy and physiology, chinesiology, but that's um it's not uh a prerequisite to knowing how to do this. So it's it's really fun, very rewarding, and efficiently effective. So, what is the typical client that you might see that you would feel like this approach um would benefit the most? >> Well, um I think this uh approach is very beneficial for anyone coming walking into your office. Honestly, um it's it's comprehensive in the way that you're uh addressing local foot pain is usually the my clientele or people find me because they have foot problems and they've heard um I have a technique that is uh successful and in relieving foot pain and foot problems um on all levels of severity from acute to severe. um some they can definitely uh gain uh progress in in their healing. Um mo so I would say most of the people that find me are foot problem clients. uh very few nowadays uh although I started this way just doing reflexology therapy I um it's really come down to the need that people come to me just for structural reflexology for foot pain relief so um you get a lot of referrals from people that don't know how to do what I do and that includes chiropractors uh medical doctors nurses physical therapists um reflexologist um which is really exciting for me because that's primarily what I I've always done for the last 40 plus years and I'm keeping it within that scope of practice >> uh because I want reflexologists to start emerging into uh a greater scope of um collaboration with other health care professionals. So you have to have the language. That's the common uh that's your bridge to getting a connection into other healthc care therapies because they don't know reflexology. You're the you're the expert. We're the experts. We know reflexology so well, but they're outside of that that um island in a way. And I really know that it would be very appreciated and accepted in the field other healthc care fields because it is with me right now. Um if you just um meet them where they are, you know, know your muscles of the foot because you're dealing with feet. um some of the ligaments have some language behind your your work um as a reflexologist so you can meet them and invite them into our field. >> Let let's I I love that. Um let's talk a little bit more about working alongside other healthcare professionals because that's part one of the aspects key aspects of our conference coming up in May is getting reflexology to the point where it is therapists are working alongside all of the other health care professionals. So you have a lot of experience with that from our previous conversations and >> um and what you just said. So, how do you explain what you do to some like a chiropractor, like a podiatrist, like um a kinesiologist? Like, how do you explain how reflexology can really help their client help their therapy like for a client to help their therapies be even more impactful? Well, I have to say back in the early 90s when I first started to on this um quest to introduce reflexology to chiropractors, um I was looking for referrals. That was back when I lived in Seattle. So, I gave that chiropractor a reflexology session that incorporated um some of the structural work that I do. And um I of course it's an assessment uh this is an assessmentbased therapy. Um and so she wanted to know what what did you find? And I let her know well and I was a little apprehensive to say something because I felt a little intimidated but I said well you know along your spine here I'm getting into her field. I found some thickness right around your arch. And that thickness is related to the area of your thoracic 10 through 12. And um so I don't know if you're having issues there. Well, she was not happy with me about that. She thought, "How dare I?" I I mean, I really felt like I blew it. No referrals. But the next day, she called me and she said, "I just want you to know that I had my colleague check in on my spine after you mentioned that." and I never said anything to him and he let me know that that I was having issues T10 through T12. So from then on she trusted me. So I it was a matter of reaching out and I think no matter what with reflexology because it is it can be so confusing that if you give someone a session that speaks for itself and then that opens the door. So, I'm in favor of offering your community uh chiropractors or or who you're you want to target uh who you would like referrals from to do that. And then it sort of evolved into um I actually had a chiropractor come to me because one of his patients saw me for foot problems and I was able to alleviate it in one or two sessions and he wasn't able to. >> And and so from then on he said, "Well, I'm going to come in and see her. I want to see what she does." And I worked with him and he had a bone growth on the dorsal side of his foot. And what I understood that to be was a uh a dislocation really. Although I can't say that to him. That's out of my scope of practice. But I said it looks like you have some crowding uh between your bones and it's that bone might be pushing upward. And um with the techniques that I do, it releases joint and ligament tension. The ligaments join bone to bone. And by releasing the tension, it opens space for the bone to find a more balanced and better position, which is what happened with him. And he couldn't believe it. He didn't know that was even an option because he was scheduled to have that growth that he thought he had shaved. And he opted not to do it after I was able to create space for that bone to move into. It was one of the cunioform bones which I'll be educating you a little bit about in the conference coming up. Um and he from then on I'm his he calls me his ace in the hole. You know I somehow am able to get people because I have an understanding about the feet. But it's more than just understanding bones and muscles and ligaments. It's about the reflexes that they attach to and how they relate to uh that movement uh that the muscles provide for the foot where they attach uh influences reflex activity. So I also educate while I am doing and especially if I'm working with a health care professional that's willing to which they usually are they want to know what are you doing? >> Um so that's it. It's really about having the information behind you, uh, opening the door, the gateway for professionals to step forward and say, I I want in on this. This is this is effective. And so that that chiropractor did a little training with me, but he still refers to me all the time because he says, I I don't know what to do with this person. So, it's a real honor to be in the position that uh and that we can all be in as reflexologists just opening the door, having a little bit more information, and that's happening regardless if it's structural reflexology or other therapies out there that are highly effective. Um but we just have to uh be open to uh raising to our standards of understanding a little bit beyond the reflexology therapy world. So if that makes any sense to you. >> No it does. So what I'm understanding is that with structural reflexology is looking at the foot not just as a static object right that we're working on but looking at understanding the movement. um how you know someone is using their feet or walking as well as like the muscles and like you said the ligaments where the joints. It's looking at it as a 360 degree how it it functions out there >> threedimensionally >> threedimensional >> re reaching beyond the standard um reflex map. I I was hoping I brought one of those maps in to sort of show you. Um, can you all see this? Is that clear, Laura? >> Yep, it's clear. >> So, these are my feet. I drew them. Anyway, those red spots are all muscle attachments and they overlap with reflexes that I've decided not to color in on this map. Um so where you see the red spots say for at the great toe uh the even the great toe or the small toes those spots are actually muscle attachments that will change uh will uh power the toes. So those three dots on the toes those are two different muscles but they power the toes. They clench they extend. Um, and when those muscles atrophy or get overworked, they can start to draw the toes and make them curl or you might get calluses on the dorsal side of that uh intermediate joint and suddenly you have sinus problems. So the muscle itself is under tension creating sinus issues. So we go a bit beyond just the toes being the reflexes of the sinuses to introducing the flexor digitorum longus muscle at the very distal end here as being a contributor to changing position of the toes which changes the uh foundation of your body to and your toes are meant to stabilize the head and your neck. So when those toes become overly tense from muscle tension, they're not available to do their job to uh help the posture of your shoulder girdle really. Um but it affects the sinuses. So, that's just a a little um idea of where we where I take my my uh anyone really, anyone coming into my office, the lay person, they want to know why do I have this going on with my foot? And I'm able to assess uh often times, most of the time actually uh using uh uh prints that that they make walking on ink p on a on a print such as this. Um and by and and making an assessment based on how their feet are carrying their body, what is happening in their body reflexively because of this mechanical uh posturing of this foot. So they're they're the toes right? Mhm. >> You can see all the darkness those that is telling you there's a lot of tension at that distal toe which is the attachment of that flexor digtorum longus muscle. So is it enough as reflexologists just to work the toes and work those calluses and try to work that out? It helps. It definitely helps. But what makes it more dynamic and more lasting is to address the entire muscle which comes down through the arch and into the back of the leg. So I reflex I reflex the entire muscle, not just the toes. And this person was having a lot of sinus problems. Uh you can see here there's a little dark area at this part of her great toe. And I've d I've drawn um a line upward and towards the toe to show the degree of bunion and dislocation. >> So this person's putting a lot of weight here on the foot. Uh and there's a muscle that attaches there. So I would release the tension in the muscles that attach at that point and those muscles are reflexive to whatever this part of the foot is. And in this case I would read it as the esophagus. So this person also had esophageal reflux. Um so by releasing tension in that muscle I'm able the other foot sorry but this is the muscle. >> Okay. By releasing tension in here, I'm able to create space in the joint so the toe has better chance to realign itself and upright itself once I remove the muscle that's pulling the joint too closely together making uh a awkward weight distribution along the foot. So this is I'll spend about a my sessions involve um especially with professionals or people that really want to learn. I spend about a half hour educating uh based on the prints that they make. I also measure feet. Um, which is usually why most of these people are experiencing foot problems. And and I do get a handful of people who have external trauma, maybe falling off a ladder or things like that, which I'm also able to help as long as it didn't create uh a situation where they had to have surgery, a lot of surgery and plates. I do help those people too. And so, um, yeah, it's really fun. I I've been doing this for a long time. It continues to evolve. I'm really excited about what I'm going to share at the conference because I've actually taken every single system and separated it from the foot and show you different muscles that would be contributing to maybe the urinary system or the digestive system, the muscles that you would find. So these muscles show up at the reflex sites because they're s under such tension they start to become palpable. So when you're at the adrenal reflex, you say, "Wow, that's really easily palpable." Well, the reflexology part of me says, "Yep, that's the adrenal reflex." The structural reflexologist in me says, "That is the fibularis longest muscle, and I'm going to check that out." So I'll reflex that whole muscle. And as I do that, the adrenal reflex becomes less palpable because I'm relaxing the muscle. So, and I could go on about this. >> No, I know. I love it. So, let's let's pray and give people >> No, no, let's give people um a bit more information. So, you're going to come to our our conference from May 22nd to 24th. Your conference session is entitled how to incorporate foot assessments in your practice. So I know you gave us a little bit demonstration there. So you're talking about again assessment. We're we're really looking at I I know we talk about in reflexology um we'll look at shape and color and temperature those but you're talking let's go one step further >> exactly >> where people how people are putting pressure on their foot. Where is this pressure located? How it's related to the muscles? how it's related to um the bones, the reflexes. >> And I understand so you're going to be showing us how you do these Harris uh am I saying it right? Harris ink prints. >> Yeah, it's a it's a mat. It's actually um this is an old one, so they're blue. They're now green, which is not as pretty, but this is the mat. It's an Apex Harris ink mat. >> Okay. >> Um >> Harris ink mat. >> Yeah. So this is the inside. It's a rubber membrane. It doesn't have it. This is a surface that is walked on and underneath. So, this is the surface that I ink. >> Okay. >> Can you all see that? Whoops. >> Move it just a little. Yeah. Perfect. >> There. So, this is the surface that I I put ink on and I roll it. I put a piece of paper here. I place this down. They walk on it and it imprints their foot. So I can see where how their feet are carrying the weight of their body and what reflexes uh may be affected by that uh their mechanical structure of their foot, how they're using it. And this changes um and evolves. So I will be doing that. I'll I I actually hope to um bring about five at least five images from the folks in the audience up on stage to do it live and um you know show and talk about each one so that you can see uh how to do this. Um hopefully after my presentation you'll understand why and how I'm able to assess prints like this because it can be this is another one and this one's uh missing a few toes here. So this person was losing a lot of um stability in their skeletal structure like their knees were breaking down, their hips were breaking down, their shoulder and they would have numbing in their fingers because uh just the the toes that part of the foot is not stable enough to hold the side body up. Um and then I show you what muscles to release as far as tension goes there. It sounds like it's really not that complicated, honestly. And I break it down to each zone. >> Okay. >> What are you finding in this zone? I hope you're all um familiar with zone theory. I'm not sure, but um some people are not. Um but the small toe represents everything in zone five. So, I will address certain muscles in zone five that'll be contributing to weak toes. releasing the tension, reviving the muscles, uh, and so that when they put their foot on the floor, their toe is is very often likely to make contact with the floor after the session, then their upper shoulders can relax and rest in that in that weight that the the toe provides for the body. Um but I I will be yes I'll be uh demonstrating um five I mean this is not all I'm doing I I mean but um yes we will be doing that having a lot of fun with that uh >> what other permission >> what other where else are these Harris ink prints done like is this done with in other healthcare fields or is this done like >> no well not in the same way not genetically um a lot of Um, podiatrists use them, but they only have them stand on it. >> Okay. >> And then they look for pressure points it with uh just standing. I do this kinetically. You have to walk on and off because I want to know how are those muscles moving your foot. Um because it's the movement, the kinetic part of movement that is more true to um how your feet are carrying your weight as you move. Um and I I will be also showing you why that's so important that there are six stages in one step that we all take normally. I mean, not everybody, but normally most people take a a pattern of weight bearing along their foot. And for instance, with this person here, they they're not taking that pattern. Um, and you don't even know what pattern is yet. But I know that this person has a lot of scapular issues. They've got sub occipital issues. Their head probably really itches in zone right around zone two and three. and they have they're placing a lot of weight but then it gets very slight. So the ink starts to get um less uh prominent when weight is not distributed well. So ideally in this print the ink should be the same color and and these cells should be taking the same amount of ink all the way through the step. Where this one's dark this is going to end up affecting the pelvis. Um this is dark. It's going to affect uh well definitely the scapular issue the scapula if it's if it's chronic enough it could penetrate into the lungs um bronchios things like that definitely occipital. So this is what I do with with people who come in to see me. I let I I point these things out and I say this is the reflex of you know this and that and subox seven and they always say that's spot on. It is spot on what you've said about my feet based on how I'm carrying the weight of my body in this print. I can't and they they wonder how I know. I know because I'm a reflexologist and I look at feet as a microcosm as an entirety of the whole body that it's carrying. So, I think it's worth it to really expand your knowledge, jump into um another level of um in, you know, knowledge about the feet and what they're doing for you on so many levels if you want to branch into um and get referrals from healthcare practitioners. And I think it's time uh that reflexologists take their place um as a profession and get collaboration from other healthcare professionals more often. I know it's happening. There's a lot of brilliant reflexologists out there. It's probably happening very organically. This is just one of the ways you can follow to get there and it and it won't take long. >> No, I love it. That's that's the goal. So tying it all together, how do you communicate these mat prints or what's happening in the foot when you see these prints to other health care providers? So I know you've explained like if they've come for a reflexality session and like explaining like where you're feeling, you know, the tension releasing all that, but um the the prince I'm just curious how or if you do >> the easiest way is when they come to see me. I do get a lot of healthcare. I get a lot of doctors and people from referrals just from word of mouth. All of my practice is word of mouth. I don't do any advertising at all. Um, if I were to go out there, well, I also speak. So, I was invited to speak at the annual chiropractic association. I was their keynote. So, I spoke two hours in the morning and two hours in the afternoon. It was really amazing. But I I centered it around what they know. So, I thought about the spine. I introduced a little bit of Hana Marart's uh bones and how they look just like you know their art and and um made connections with them. Um so that was one way I I was able to make those connections. Um I have to say I don't often go out but I uh and and uh try to uh educate outside of just my own practice. Okay. Um, but if I were and I had a booth at a health expo somewhere, um, I would I would have them walk on one of those prints. I'd think about reflexology as I know it, the the, uh, organ systems. And you can start there, like, oh, well, that's the area of the lungs. Oh, that's the sinuses. You could ask them, are you having any sinus issues? Because in this print, you're really gripping your toes, which are reflexive to the sinuses. And then if you have more information behind your your uh in your tool belt, you can say, well, that muscle that moves those toes is under a lot of tension. And that is a language that a lot of health care professionals have because they know their anatomy and physiology. They can relate to that. So if you can get to a point where you can find common ground, >> then interject your reflexology training, then they will start to think about what you're doing. Um, we are the best at what we do. You know, reflexologists, nobody else does it. They don't know how to do it. They don't it's it's foreign to them. So you just do it gently uh gradually and the work itself speaks for itself. So they just come back and they'll probably ask you. I get a lot of healthcare professionals that while they're on the table, they want to know everything about reflexology. >> Um which is a little distracting, but they get excited. >> Um I don't know if that answered your question, Laura, or not. No, I I I like what you said about finding common ground because one of the things that always comes out is how do we explain this? How do we how would we explain this to a physician? How do we explain this to a nurse? And I think starting to say, all right, what do they know already? You know, if they're more familiar with talking about muscles, if they're more familiar with talking about the bone structure, okay, let's this is our entry point. let's say to then say okay from this bone this is you know the corresponding reflex or this is what I'm noticing from the reflexology perspective >> right like oh wow this is very interesting um yeah you can do things like that invite them in >> there will be people that will not bite they they will take a stand and you can't win them all and you don't want to even put out too much energy um to that person who is not willing or open maybe someday they will be um but there will be those people um I'm finding them fewer and fewer um in my experience in practicing >> I think one of the great things right now is that people clients the public want solutions they want help for their problems and we're bumping up against that you know doctors don't have all the answers that that they're aren't important they're very important but >> just >> they are important and acknow that's a really good point Laura acknowledging them for their specialty yeah >> is really important that is like because I think what's made uh a lot of health care professionals pnikity about what we do is because they feel slighted like oh you're saying I this doesn't work um of like they shouldn't come see a doctor I'm happy to have my healthare professional, my my my, you know, primary care doctor, >> um, or anyone that sews up something on my body if it needs to be sewn. So, being sensitive to their profession, acknowledging their skill >> is also an opening. Yeah. >> Um, so they don't feel uh >> that we're trying to take pull one over on them. >> Absolutely. >> You know, >> work alongside. We keep talking using the word integrative. Um like working alongside being integrative in not replacing not an alternative. Really don't like the word alternative. >> No. No. I think there's room for every profession anyone feels their heart is drawn to doing. um you know that that clarity and that truth is so strong and and when people have a calling to do something it is strong and no one wants to be told it's it's not good enough or it's not right or I do this better. It's it's disturbing. Um I know um I I dated a doctor long time ago in the 80s and I was trying to educate him on reflexology. he wouldn't have it. And I was I felt so insulted. And I said, "Well, I'm sorry if you don't believe in what I do. We have no future." And I I I didn't want anything to do with him because he didn't respect what I did. And in fact, he said, "I will never, you know, agree that that reflexology is is a thing." Well, that movement like, "Well, you just don't know." No, but is it that mutual respect? >> So that's No, I I love your perspective on this and that's something we're we're really pushing here in Canada about reflexology being working alongside other healthcare professionals integrating into you know the health care system and that really if we do work alongside other health care professionals is just better for the public. It's better for people so that they can get relief, they can get the support that they need. Yes, I agree. Um I I I think it's really really important um to be out there working with I I have people that have a team of of health care professionals. Some of them are working who have some pretty acute situations, but I'm part of that team and they they are including reflexology as part of that an integral part of their their recovery. So, I I think there's so much value in um being integrated. For sure. >> All right, let's pivot just a little bit. We're just going to talk um so you're going to be spending two days after our conference doing part one of your structural reflexology certification program. I believe it's only the second time you've done it in Canada. So, we're really, you know, honored that you're you're teaching this. Um for those of you who are more interested, there's still space available. Go to reflexologyconference.com. Geraldine will be teaching on Monday, May 25th and Tuesday, May 26th here in Winnipeg. But can you give us an overview of like what's part one of structural reflexology? What would >> Well, you'll be learning the the history behind the work, why you do what you do, uh which is about um it's sort of the intro to to before we start doing hands-on, but most of it is a hands-on experience. So you're going to be learning a protocol >> how to give a structural reflexology session from beginning to end. So it's repetitive. Um you're going to learn uh not only the muscles in each zone but their reflexive value. Um and also um in the end uh you will also be learning a passive mobilization technique to help uh facilitate further opening of joints. Once the muscles are relaxed and they're not pulling on the joints, this is the opportunity that I take to uh allow for joints to find a healthier position so that when they walk out of my office, they are firmly walking in their feet. A lot of people walk above their feet because they're in pain. So, they walk pensively or tentatively. they they walk away oftentimes just feeling completely uh that their feet are doing their job. So they can let go of a lot of compensation that happens from trying to hover over pain if you can imagine. Um that happens with reflexology too but more dramatically with structural reflexology for sure. Um and so yeah so you walk so you will go away with level one cert uh certificate uh of participation there is another level uh level two is more uh a little bit more in depth along the same lines following the zones muscles within those zones uh a little bit more about uh foot structure and uh diverted mechanics what happens to the body that way sort of tracing issues in the body to the feet. Um, a lot of people end up having surgeries uh on things in their body and uh when I can often times see that it's actually a foot problem that's uh creating inflammation causing compensation uh in other parts of body. So I talk a little bit about that. We go over prints doing more prints reading them. Uh the third level is actually a live lab uh public lab. So uh students work on public uh clients that have agreed to have their feet worked on and I talk you through the whole session. Um and then 50 practice hours will get you your certified structural reflexology practitioner status. Um, so it's it's it's a process and it's uh I highly encourage that if you do want to do that the whole series that you have a basis of reflexology education. Um, so it's easier to learn that way. But it's it's a great class. It moves fast. People uh that take the class find that uh they get results pretty much off the bat. And um so you don't have to have 40 years of experience to make an impact in this work. You can learn and practice and your clients will tell you they feel it. >> No, that's exciting. So if you guys are interested, please go to the website, register. There's still spaces available. Want make sure everyone who wants to to learn, you know, gets the opportunity to to learn how to integrate um these techniques into your your practice. I guess final sort of thought question is um maybe on the anatomy physiology side. So you've been talking about like it's important to really understand the mechanics of the foot, all of the ligaments, the the muscles, the bones. >> Not all of the ligaments. I only really address a few very important ones. >> Okay. >> It would be really it it would be very overwhelming to have to learn all that. I've really broken it down and simplified it a lot more than you can imagine. Um, so go I I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I just wanted you to know that it's not all the way. It's all it sounds like forever, you know, when it's said that it's very simplified. uh it it's uh step by step and um I I gave you also receive a very comprehensive study manual >> that shows you I mean it it's here I've got one right here >> props >> very comprehensive see how thick that is but I I big pictures you know I it's it's um you know I've got it's very clearly uh labeled so you know what to do um within each zone. Um you know I educate about how the foot really is designed and how it's supposed to move but I don't um think that it's very difficult to um pull it all together even in one even in one class. Um, but you will go home with tools. You'll have that. That's part of the tuition. Um, I do have DVDs that show you how to do it if you want to to purchase a DVD. Um, and I also have my books that you can, you know, I have put your best feet forward was my first book. >> Very um, fun little book. And then my latest is um, free range feet walk with ease using structural reflexology. And that one is tabbed so that you can um go right to different um like planer fasciitis, the definition, symptoms, the cause, muscles under strain, weak muscles. Um and I've I've outlined all of the um you know, just different things that are happening when you walk. Um so it's it's very comprehensive. Um, I'll have some of these available to sell. I don't know. Am I getting a a um vendor table? >> You'll have an opportunity to So, if people come to the conference, you'll have the opportunity to purchase Gerald Dean's books, whatever you end up bringing for us. >> Yes. That stuff there if you're interested. Um, no pressure. Um, but that is available. Um, and those who are studying, who choose to study with me, um, they're always, you know, good to have, um, for reference. But the study manual itself is very comprehensive as well um and will give you a lot of information. >> So I guess then my question rephrasing like key takeaway that you really want to impart to therapists in terms of like how to think about or rethink about the foot then what is like one your key takeaway from your experience in like and structural reflexology? How do you want people to think about or rethink about the the foot? Well, I think it's important to think beyond just the reflexes and understand that reflex activity um and is bigger than just pressing a spot on the foot that there is an overlapping aspect to that spot that involves muscles. Those muscles are reflexive as well wherever they attach on the foot. So um by reflexing the entire muscle associated with a reflex will change the will improve or enhance the mechanics of the foot's ability to provide posture relaxed posture and movement. Um and that's why I labeled my last book free range feet. So free range feet is is exactly what I hope to uh my clients will gain working uh having had a structural reflexology session. So >> all right well then last final question. What um are you most looking forward to or what excites you most about coming uh to Winnipeg in May? >> Well um I am really excited to look at the area. Um, it sounds like wilderness. Is it wilderness out there? >> If you get outside of the city, yeah, you need to drive a little ways. We're we're situated in a basin with a lot of um agricultural land surrounding the city, but like if you drive a little ways, you get to the forest, you get to the >> Yeah. the natural. >> Okay. Well, I'm really excited to meet new people and uh just share in our common experience um as reflexologists. I I think that's always so exciting to me to be I feel like um that I'm in my tribe. Honestly, I I felt this way when I spoke in Alaska, too, that there's a real solidarity that feeds my soul, and I'm looking forward to being part of that again. Oh, I like that. Well, thank you so much, Gerald Dean, for speaking with me today. I'm so excited to meet you in person in May for everyone. Uh, thank you for joining us online. Actually, hold it. Let me just check to see if there was any other questions. Um, uh, oh, Joey did ask a question. The last book that you showed, I think it was your most recent book. So, you said it was >> um, free range feet, >> walk with ease using structural reflexology. So, >> no, that is you can find at most bookstores. Um, Amazon. Uh, I don't know if you have a Barnes & Noble. Um, but I think Millions of Books might sell it a little less expensively. >> I'll plug McNal for those of you in Manitoba and Saskatchewan. >> Yeah. So, it's it's available, I think, at um Walmart. I mean, it's it's in a lot of places. >> Um, it's available in a lot of places. >> Yeah. >> Excellent. And you're gonna be bringing some copies and things that >> I'll bring some, but you know, it's a very heavy book. Fair enough. I might um I might try to send some by mail. Sure. >> So, um because it gets it gets heavy on the plane to bring all my stuff. I mean, when I travel, I bring it all. I mean, I I've got my ligament foot and I love it. >> I bring my measuring devices. Um, I've got these big uh misfoot here that I has been all over the world with me. >> Oh my goodness. >> Um, because it comes apart. It's it's just brilliant. Um, you know, these pegs come apart and so I can really educate about how the foot looks. Um, so yeah. >> Excellent. Well, we're so excited to to welcome you. Um everyone go check out reflexologyconference.com so you can you know uh book your spot in Geraldine's postconference workshop. She'll also be speaking uh during the conference on Sunday May uh 24th um in one of the breakout sessions. You'll get to hear her learn about foot assessments. It sounds like it's going to be an awesome seminar while we try people are going to walk on those mats and we'll look at where all of our pressure is being placed on our feet. So, it's going to be fun. >> It'll be fun. Until next time, thank you everyone for joining us. >> Thank you so much for joining me today. I really appreciate it. Okay.